is that he recently hired Hillary's former healthcare policy expert.  I would think she's reshaping his plan right now.

He's tacking to the center.

Gotta give the guy credit. With all that new politics talk, he old politic'd our girl fair and square.

He kept the progressives online with yes we can and now he's all faith-based, Fisa, etc. But you know what? Good. He needs to win first, and I'm tired of Dems who don't know how to win. My biggest worry about Obama was he was too soft. Now I'm not scared of that anymore.

I don't think he will... I think he'll let himself be negotiated in that direction when he's getting the bill through Congress.  If I were his people, I'd give Sen. Clinton the lead position on the issue next year and let her push him left, to counteract the pull right from the MegaCorpCo's and their lobbying cash.

Why would Obama embrace mandates now? That makes zero sense.

This is ridiculous. In the first place, if Obama is moving to the center as the conventional tongue wagging is attacking him for, why would he move to her position which Hillary's own supporters claimed was to the left of his?

In second place, it seems like any REAL Clinton supporter would be tickled pink at the idea of Obama adopting her position rather than call it a flop.

I smell the unmistakable stench of McTroll.

Please.  That is just so ridiculous and make believe.  You can't make things happen by demanding it, or wishing it along.

roar in November.  You will become a believer!

PUMA POWER!!!!!

You are SO behind the times. Obama defended Clark today.http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/01/mccai n-camp-keeps-pressure-on-obama-over-clar k-statement/

Fine but what I'm saying is this is about the platform. First and last.

Ohhh My...That f'ing moron Obama...How dare he try to get more votes by shifting to the middle!!  What is he thinking?  I mean really he should just go crazy liberal now and let the chips fall where they may.  I mean we know he won't win the POTUS, but atleast he will appease about 15% of the electorate.  Shit he will carry California, New York and DC, better than McGovern!  He will have still have his job as Senator and can try real hard to get the Liberal agenda through with a McCain presidency...He will be in a better position to improve healthcare, get us out of Iraq, fix a failing economy in the Senate anyways...I don't know wtf he is thinking trying to syphon some votes out of the Republican base, he should use the same strategy as Kerry and Gore..they were so close.

PUMA's apparently aren't.

There are major differences between McCain and Obama involving life and death and this is what will determine your choice? With all due respect, I think that what happens to people in the US and around the world is more important than whether Obama has demonstrated unity to your satisfaction.

4113 American soldiers have died in Iraq so far. Many more have been maimed or have suffered traumatic brain injuries. One wants troops there into the foreseeable future and the other does not.

And I could name many more issues. IMHO, This is what the election is about, not who is vp.

But I' was a Hillary guy. You'll only be protesting everything Hillary lives for.

Kool-aid, Jello...  Make up your mind.

Um, Obama's proposing new policies, not altering old ones. Other than agreeing to the FISA compromise, he hasn't changed anything.

Oh, bugger all....was meant as a reply to Shaun.

This picture might give some of you a better idea of the red vs. blue state of our federal circuit and district courts right now (it's a little big and I apologize for that):

I agree with some of what you said, but I think this post was more dedicated to the PUMA types, in which case it very much is all about Hillary.  It's an extreme hatred for Obama over perceived slights that they feel Hillary received.

"They object to Obama?

Not much to object to.

Point is: He's a Democrat
So when we assume Hil supporters will be Obama supporters we assume they're for the Dem platform

This is what is wrong with the no25cents crowd. You have stated that you are part of their group.

You see things that aren't real, like a flip on the Clark / McCain flap. You also buy into other urban myths, like the birth cert controversy, the 'whitey' tape, etc... Come back to reality, catfish. It's not all that bad.

I'm a Democrat. You know?

Freedom of speech :  
Obama's people worked to shut down sites that were pro-Clinton, anti-Obama.  Shut them down.

Support - with links to clear, undisputed sources tying it to the Obama campaign - or retract.

Freedom of the press :  Obama's people put pressure on CNN to not have any Hillary people representing her side after North Carolina

That's called playing the press... every campaign does it.  I also would like to see a link for this claim, though, in the spirit of your supporting your assertions.

separation of church and state :  Obama has said he wants to expand Bush's 'faith-based initiative' but his version would allow for hiring based on discrimination of the person's religion

Provide a link for the italicized portion, retract the claim and apologize, or be known as intellectually dishonest.  Your choice.

Right to bear arms :  Obama said the DC ban was constitutional in the Chicago Tribune

He also issued multiple statements opposing the DC ban... statements for which he was lambasted on this site.

When do people say enough is enough and no deal?  As democrats, when is enough enough?  

I agree.  When do we say "enough is enough" and just accept that the so-called Democrats who join groups like PUMA are short-sighted fools who clearly have no idea what their former candidate, Hillary Clinton, actually stood for?  

When do we say "enough is enough" and simply quit trying to reach people who obviously are willing to hurt workers in this country, put soldiers overseas at continued risk, and deny their daughters their rights in order to prove some point?  

When do we say "enough is enough" and call PUMAs for what they are - workers for the Republicans, whether wittingly or not - and accept that they are on the same moral plane as one of Bush's 28-percenters?

Obama has said he wants to expand Bush's 'faith-based initiative' but his version would allow for hiring based on discrimination of the person's religion (emphasis added)

No, it doesn't.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

Again with the urban myths and misunderstanding of Obama's stances. It's no wonder you don't like him, if you hold mistaken beliefs like these.

Obama's people worked to shut down sites that were pro-Clinton, anti-Obama.  Shut them down.

Freedom of the press :  Obama's people put pressure on CNN to not have any Hillary people representing her side after North Carolina

separation of church and state :  Obama has said he wants to expand Bush's 'faith-based initiative' but his version would allow for hiring based on discrimination of the person's religion

Fourth ammendment : FISA

Right to bear arms :  Obama said the DC ban was constitutional in the Chicago Tribune

When do people say enough is enough when it comes to these same complaints based on twisting his positions on the issues? When is enough enough?

That is it.  Fight the power!!  I am holding out for a pony and a light saber.  If the Hawaiian Messiah doesn't deliver he is going to lose my vote.  

I want my pineapple!!! The Hawaiin Messiah promised pineapples for all. Gimme mine!!!!!!

Oh, engels is here! Our favorite troll. Gimme a hug, engles.

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